this is for those who are interested in bible study.. the jehovah's witnesses claim that only the father is god, and thus teach he was the saviour in the old testament.
the bible teaches that god says "there is no saviour beside me".
therefore how is it, that the lord jesus christ is called the saviour of the world?.
This is for those who are interested in Bible study.
The Jehovah's Witnesses claim that ONLY the Father is God, and thus teach He was the Saviour in the Old Testament. The Bible teaches that God says "There is no Saviour beside me". Therefore how is it, that the Lord Jesus Christ is called the Saviour of the world?
The below video teaches this subject. The question remains.. Jehovah's Witnesses, who is YOUR Saviour?
the jehovah's witnesses believe the title given to the lord jesus as 'firstborn' is in reference to himself being created.
however as we study the scriptures we can see that it has a greater meaning than being created..
Guys,
With due respect. You have complained and called me a coward for doing a hit n run, and not commenting on the subject to hand.
Whilst I have expressed both in video and on here in times past, that I prefer to speak on FB, because it engages in a spiritual conversation, this chat forum is the opposite.
Oh, and John Prestor... You have never once counter argued or discussed Bible with me, and I was asking you questions as well... It seems that I am not the only one who does "hit n runs" and yet, likely, he will get many likes and support, where as it's just jibes towards me... Nice!
There are no Spiritual conversations, only attack attack attack and "mythology" and "the Bible is wrong" and personal jibes...
And you wonder why I chose not to comment before?
At least I can say I have tried, and wanted to speak about this one. However it's pointless if rather than debating on the subject, you say "oh those verses are wrong" and don't provide other verses to support ones argument.
Have a good day guys, I don't want to speak to people who are constant complaining that "God isn't real", "the Bible is false", "it's all mythology"...
My question to you is... If you don't believe in God, and you believe the Bible is false ... Why do you remain in these forums??
the jehovah's witnesses believe the title given to the lord jesus as 'firstborn' is in reference to himself being created.
however as we study the scriptures we can see that it has a greater meaning than being created..
Yet, as I have again shown in the video, as well as other verses, the Lord Jesus is not a created being, based on that He is God as well. God did not create God. Your idea that The Lord Jesus is created comes from an organisation that do not reverence the Lord Jesus.
You belittle him, and claim He is just a mere created angel.
Hebrews 1:8-10 explains that God never once called any of his angels, His son, furthermore the passage also shows the Father calling His Son, God and Lord.
You are using your own wisdom and understanding here, which is evident. Nothing you have said is based upon the Holy Scriptures.
Micah 5:2 also explains that The Lord Jesus is from Everlasting... And the Lord Jesus also explained that before He died, he was the living One, just as God calls Himself the living One.
The Lord Jesus also refers to Himself as All Powerful and Almighty (Rev 1:7-8).
Can I ask, why do you belittle the Lord Jesus often in your quotes? Why not reverence Him? If you don't do it now, you will be forced to one day... (Phil 2:9-11).
the jehovah's witnesses believe the title given to the lord jesus as 'firstborn' is in reference to himself being created.
however as we study the scriptures we can see that it has a greater meaning than being created..
Coward? I am back and ready to speak on the post...
Fyi, Throughout my videos, I give links as to where I can chat to others... Seems you don't watch the video to note those links... Sure "I'm the coward"...
Are you ready to ask questions? This shows that I came back in to comment on the questions raised...
Also, I made my apologies in a PM to Cofty, and had a pleasant conversation, so it seems that you are just trying to find justification to abort watching the video, or trying to avoid the subject of the firstborn which I have raised...
the jehovah's witnesses believe the title given to the lord jesus as 'firstborn' is in reference to himself being created.
however as we study the scriptures we can see that it has a greater meaning than being created..
Publically : I am apologising for any rude comments made above.
Going forward, to answer the subject post. The bible teaches that the Lord Jesus Christ is the first born, showing preeminence over all creation. This has nothing to do with being first created.
Micah 5:2 explains...
"But thou, Bethlehem
Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of
thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose
goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."
The prophecy indicates that the Lord Jesus is from everlasting, and not a created being.
The bible further explains in Phil 2:9 that the Lord Jesus will be honored and worshipping in a day to come, where EVERY knee will bow down to him. If the Lord Jesus is a created being, then this shows that we will bow down to creation, rather than God, and would invoke idol worship.
This is not the case, as we see from scripture that the Lord Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh.
1 Tim 3:16
"And without controversy
great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world, received up into glory."
the jehovah's witnesses believe the title given to the lord jesus as 'firstborn' is in reference to himself being created.
however as we study the scriptures we can see that it has a greater meaning than being created..
I've sent you a PM.
the jehovah's witnesses believe the title given to the lord jesus as 'firstborn' is in reference to himself being created.
however as we study the scriptures we can see that it has a greater meaning than being created..
"Weegieland" - I don't come from there...
Sorry, I assumed I was speaking to a Christian... from your attitude, I can see there are no fruits of the spirit there. I take it your an ex-JW who had turned athiest? I can't see Christ in your comments :-( what a terrible testimony.
And for your information... I came from a family of Jehovah's Witnesses, where my mother, father, uncles, aunties, grandfathers etc etc all got saved after coming out of the cult. I also still have family members who are still Jehovah's Witnesses, and I know how to speak to them.
Lastly, who says I don't comment on this forum? Could it be, that I could have possible another account, and just don't use the Pseudo name of "JW Answers" to answer questions asked?
Something to think about....
the jehovah's witnesses believe the title given to the lord jesus as 'firstborn' is in reference to himself being created.
however as we study the scriptures we can see that it has a greater meaning than being created..
Cofty.. do you live on this website? It seems that the very moment I post, you JUMP and comment... don't you have a life outside this forum?
This video is a help to those who are still studying, and such comments that you have made should not interfere with the ministry this website is based upon. Otherwise, what is the point in showing others who come onto the website the truth? If the people who live on here, get annoyed at people trying to help others.
Take a break, go outside, breathe fresh air.
God bless.
the jehovah's witnesses believe the title given to the lord jesus as 'firstborn' is in reference to himself being created.
however as we study the scriptures we can see that it has a greater meaning than being created..
This video is in reference to the title "Firstborn of all creation". The Jehovah's Witnesses use this term to indicate that the Lord Jesus Christ is the First Created. However the bible explains throughout that the Lord Jesus is from everlasting, therefore what does the term "Firstborn" actually mean in refernece to the Lord Jesus Christ?
Within the video, it is discussed from Genesis 41 + 48, concerning Ephraim and Manasseh who were Joseph's sons. Manasseh was the firstborn into the family, however as Joseph took them both to see his father, Israel (Jacob), he blessed Ephraim and made him the firstborn, allowing Ephraim to have the supermacy over Manasseh.
Throughout the bible, there are others who were made "Firstborn". David for example was made Firstborn over all the kings of the earth, yet David had 7 younger brothers.
When looking at the scriptures concerning the Lord Jesus Christ, it is evident that the Lord Jesus is given the title "Firstborn" which is supremacy over ALL creation, He is the Head of the Church, and all things consist by Him and for Him.
Phil 2:9-11 explain that in a future day to come, EVERY knee will bow down to the Lord Jesus Christ, worshipping Him. Are we to say that we will one day worship someone who is a created being? Or worship the One who is God? (Not the Father, but equal too).
I explain within this video by rightly dividing the word of Truth, what it means for the Lord Jesus to be called Firstborn.
Thank you.
the jehovah's witnesses believe the title given to the lord jesus as 'firstborn' is in reference to himself being created.
however as we study the scriptures we can see that it has a greater meaning than being created..
The Jehovah's Witnesses believe the title given to the Lord Jesus as 'Firstborn' is in reference to Himself being created. However as we study the scriptures we can see that it has a greater meaning than being created.
